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  1. #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Gubler, A. View Post
    Interestingly five years ago I spoke to the CO of Tobruk who laughed at the idea that the Rat would be first amphib to decomission as the LHDs were delivered. He said there was a lot more life in his ship than the LPAs and it was better suited to the sealift role anyway.
    I hope so. It's our only available Amphib at the moment, from the sounds of things!!! Though no doubt Kanimbla or Manoora could be put to sea if something critical came up...

  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Digger View Post
    ! Though no doubt Kanimbla or Manoora could be put to sea if something critical came up...
    Maybe not.
    There have been numerous times when these have put to sea over the last few years, only to have to return to port because of failures.
    If a Bay class is available we could do worse than retire the two LPA's and replace with one Bay class.
    This could continue to serve after the two LHD's are commissioned, as a third transport ship is supposed to be acquired in any case.

  3. #23

    I heard a story/rumour last week from a colleague from my battalion which in turn got to him from a friend in DMO. Basically, the story is that whilst getting ready to put to sea last week (Tuesday I think) one of the LPA lost power in the middle of Sydney harbour and had to calls tugs before she went aground on Middle Head. At any rate, I'd guess that's why they're both alongside at the moment: work out what went wrong and tr and fix the problem so it doesn't happen again.
    One way or the other, it's going to be jolly interesting to nurse the 'phibs through the next few years. Even if one of the Bays become available after SDSR (I don't think they will be sold off, though I've been wrong about these things in the past) we still need the LPA's for their command suites and helicopter facilities. Perhaps if things are as bad as they seem like they might be, then JP2048P4C (the sea lift ship) can be fast-tracked to run alongside the existing ships. The idea would be to do whatever jobs can be done by a lean-manned sealift ship*, and save as much sea-time from the LPAs and LSH to be used for situations which need C4ISR. The older phib's would then start decommissioning as LHD approach readiness (i.e. to keep manning leevels in check) leaving the expected 2+1 fleet structure at the end.


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    *The Bays have a crew of about 60, so running a ship with this kind of compliment should be possible at the same time as manning the LSH and LPAs.

  4. #24

    Sod the Bays, latest word out of the UK suggests Albion or Bulwark may well be up for sale in the near future.

    Much is being sacrificed to maintain the two carriers.

    Unicorn
    Unicorn

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    It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
    the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

  5. #25

    I think anyone who claims to know what is going to happen with SDSR is probably lying. I've heard rumours and arguments regarding Ocean, the Albians, and the Bays. I think it's safer to wait till the damn thing is published.

  6. #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
    Sod the Bays, latest word out of the UK suggests Albion or Bulwark may well be up for sale in the near future.

    Much is being sacrificed to maintain the two carriers.

    Unicorn
    Pigs might fly too... excuse the pun.

  7. #27

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
    Sod the Bays, latest word out of the UK suggests Albion or Bulwark may well be up for sale in the near future.

    Much is being sacrificed to maintain the two carriers.

    Unicorn
    With respect to the Rumour Monger..........Albion and Bulwark have the Amphib Command and Control centres that are worth more than the vessels themselves as far as Military effect is concerned. The Bays are Amphib Freighters, nothing more sophisticated than that.

  8. #28

    I wasn't suggesting they would sell Albion or Bulwark instead of the Bays, I was suggesting that news out of the UK explores the possibility of selling Albion or Bulwark, plus some of the Bays.

    Stupid politicians.

    Unicorn
    Unicorn

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
    It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
    the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

  9. #29

    Of the three classes of 'phibs in service, I'd actually think Ocean is most vulnerable. Her role at the present is important, but there other ships which can fill it if needs be, and decomming her now(ish) to be replaced (in capability terms) by CVF in about 5 years time is no worse of a 'gap in capabilities' than retiring SHAR was (which is seeming increasingly like it was the right choice).
    And in the same vein, Ocean would have both a pretty good resale price and a semi-decent market to see to. Both India and Brazil may be interested in a ship with Ocean's capabilities, and there are perhaps half a dozen others who might consider buying a ship with the crew of a frigate but the ability to embark a couple of dozen helicopters. I don't know that there would be anything like that market for the Albions (which are quite specialised after all) or the Bays (you can build new ships of that type for not very much).

    Just some thoughts. I guess we'll all know one way or the other in a month. For the record I don't think the 'phib fleet will be cut, though putting 1-3 ships in extended readiness till finances improve strikes me as a distinct possibility.

  10. #30

    Ocean would be a good buy for the RAN if it was available ASAP as a gap fill Super Hornet style between broken down LPAs and the LHDs. As to the wisdom of retiring the SHARs that is only if the RN doesn't face an air threat. Which is why they've kept them in store and not flogged them to India so they could be rapidly brought back into service. Why they never built the FA.2s with the new avionics on the AV-8B airframe in the first place is beyond me - off yeah penny pinching...

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