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buglerbilly
15-04-10, 02:35 AM
U.K. Could Divert RAF Typhoons To Oman

Apr 14, 2010



By Douglas Barrie
London

London could yet order at least a handful of Tranche 3B Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft, if a deal to sell the aircraft to Oman is in place by early 2011.

Oman and the U.K. have been discussing Typhoon purchases for more than two years. Industry officials suggest that if the timescale for Oman’s delivery aspirations are to be met, the fighters will likely be drawn from Tranche 2 aircraft now in production for the Royal Air Force.

Were Typhoons to be diverted to Oman—officials say an order would probably be for 12 aircraft and potentially include an option for a further 12—they could be replaced by the U.K.’s “order” for Tranche 3B aircraft.

Securing a Tranche 3 deal among the four partner nations, Germany, Italy, Spain and the U.K., proved a prolonged and difficult process. The agreement was eventually reached at only by splitting the Tranche 3 production run into two blocks. Tranche 3A covered just under half of the originally planned production run. The remainder was to be discussed at a later date, with a notional commitment required during 2011.

Of the 40 U.K. aircraft ordered as part of Tranche 3A, 24 were actually replacement airframes for RAF aircraft re-allocated to the Royal Saudi Air Force under a U.K.-Saudi Arabia government-to-government defense agreement. The Saudis presently have 72 Typhoons on order, and a substantial follow-on buy is anticipated.

At the time of the Tranche 3A deal, in July 2009, British government officials suggested that the U.K. had met its obligations under the original agreement because of the level of investment required in the program. The ministry argued that the 16 new aircraft, coupled with the 24 Saudi replacement aircraft, meant the U.K. had reached the financial ceiling as identified by the original production memorandum of understanding. London also considered unilaterally withdrawing from Tranche 3, but this would have incurred penalties in the region of £2 billion ($3.1 billion).

Quentin Davies, the minister for defense equipment and support, at the time indicated the government had no plans for additional aircraft as part of a Tranche 3B order. His statement caused confusion among some defense officials, perhaps given the ongoing discussions with Oman.

More recently, Davies has indicated that a further procurement remains possible. “I do not exclude the possibility of purchasing more Typhoon fighters in future at all, but equally I am not prepared to commit to that,” Davies told Parliament last month. “I would not want to decide on whether to order further Typhoon aircraft until we have the results of the Strategic Defense Review.”

The U.K. will hold a national election May 6, and a defense review will be undertaken irrespective of which of the main political parties is returned to power.

The Royal Air Force of Oman presently operates the Jaguar and Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 50 as its front-line combat aircraft. Two squadrons of Jaguars are fielded along with a unit of F-16s.

The British prime minister’s office indicated at the beginning of April that a Typhoon deal with Oman was progressing well, although no detail of the discussions was provided. U.S. industry officials have also indicated recently that Oman may be considering acquiring another squadron of F-16s. Any deal would be government-to-government using Washington’s Foreign Military Sales mechanism.

It is unclear whether the additional squadron of F-16s is being considered alongside the Typhoons, or as an alternative to at least some of the Eurofighter aircraft.

Neither BAE Systems, the U.K. industry lead on the Typhoon, nor Lockheed Martin were willing to comment on any possible discussions with regard to Oman.

London’s effort to offset part of its Tranche 3 commitment with the first 24 aircraft of the Saudi Arabian order met with opposition initially from the other three Eurofighter partner nations. In the interest of securing a deal, however, this approach was accommodated. Whether a similar strategy in the Tranche 3B aircraft negotiations will be a cause of friction between London and its Typhoon partners remains to be seen.

Photo: Eurofighter

Deks
15-05-10, 07:58 PM
Not sure if this would mean the Italians would purchase more Tranche 3B aircraft, but it's interesting nontheless

ROME - The Eurofighter consortium has told Romanian lawmakers that up to 5,000 skilled jobs could be created in Romania if they scrap plans to buy F-16 fighter jets and acquire the Eurofighter Typhoon instead.

The proposal was made May 11 in Bucharest by Maurizio De Mitri, a senior vice president at Alenia Aeronautica, the unit of Italy's Finmeccanica group that is a member of the consortium.

De Mitri outlined plans to sell Romania 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons, which are now flying in Italy following their delivery to the Italian Air Force between the end of 2003 and 2008. The price, including logistical support and training, would be 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion), he said.

That matches the price tag for 24 used Lockheed Martin F-16s, which Romania's Supreme Defense Council opted to acquire in March.

But the council's decision to buy F-16s requires Romanian parliamentary approval, and on May 11, the Senate Defense Commission called in representatives of rivals Eurofighter and Sweden's Saab, which builds the Gripen fighter, after stating it wished to hear from Lockheed's competitors.

Swedish officials previously said in April they could sell Romania 24 new Gripen aircraft for $1.3 billion, the same price as the 24 second-hand F-16s, in a deal including training, logistics support, 100 percent offset and easy payment terms.

On May 11, the Eurofighter consortium outlined its deal to the lawmakers, with Alenia executive De Mitri claiming that the 100 percent offset deal, as well as technology transfer and local industrial participation, could generate 5,000 jobs locally.

"Romanian industry could be involved in a logistical support program similar to that seen in other Eurofighter partner nations, which is leading to record performances for the aircraft," a Eurofighter spokesman said.

"Our price also includes logistical support and training, and we are also offering long-term repayment," he added.

The Italian Eurofighters could be delivered between the end of 2011 and the end of 2012, he said.

A spokeswoman at Alenia Aeronautica, which has led the Eurofighter campaign, said the Italian aircraft offered had flown less than 10 percent of their expected lifetime flying hours. A formal offer of the aircraft would be made by the end of this month, she added.

buglerbilly
20-07-10, 12:14 PM
DATE:20/07/10

SOURCE:Flight Daily News

FARNBOROUGH: Eurofighter makes strong sales, technology push

By Craig Hoyle

Eurofighter is at the show in force this week, with two Typhoons to take part in the flying display in dramatically different configurations.

The four-nation consortium is meanwhile waiting for a commitment on a key sensor enhancement for the type, and potentially on a new export announcement to be made at the show.

A Typhoon from the Royal Air Force's 29 Sqn will be flying "clean", but BAE Systems will also showcase the type's manoeuvrability with a mission-representative payload. Instrumented production aircraft 5 will be put through its paces carrying four Raytheon Paveway II laser-guided bombs, four Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM and two MBDA ASRAAM air-to-air missiles and three external fuel tanks.

"Typhoon is agile regardless of weapon load, pulling up to an impressive 5.5g and in excess of 20° angle of attack," Eurofighter says.

An Italian air force Typhoon is also on static display at Finmecannica's outside exhibit, while Eurofighter also has a full-scale mock-up open for public visits. Its pavilion will also display a new thrust-vectoring nozzle for the aircraft's Eurojet EJ200 turbofan engines, and a model of a proposed new active electronically scanned array antenna.

The Euroradar consortium has made an offer to provide the latter enhancement for Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK.

"We have tabled a proposal using risk-reduction work that has already been done," says Steve Mogford, chief executive of Selex Galileo, lead stakeholder in the Euroradar group. "We're just waiting for them to drop the flag."

The E-Captor proposal retains "back-end" equipment from the Eurofighter's current mechanically scanned radar and would add an active array. An AESA enhancement is viewed as a key addition if the industrial consortium is to secure additional export orders with the Typhoon.

The type is currently being offered to nations including India, Japan and Switzerland. Suggestions that an export announcement could be made at the show are likely to be linked to a previous announcement by the UK government about a possible deal with Oman.

buglerbilly
21-07-10, 04:52 AM
Italy Confirms Cutback in Eurofighter Order

By TOM KINGTON

Published: 20 Jul 2010 17:44

FARNBOROUGH, England - During a lightning visit to the Farnborough Air Show on July 20, Italy's defense minister confirmed that Italy would cut its planned purchase of Eurofighters by 25 aircraft.

Ignazio La Russa said that by purchasing 96 aircraft instead of the originally planned 121, Italy would save 2 billion euros ($2.6 billion), part of a national debt reduction plan that Italy is pushing through to shore up its finances and reassure financial markets.

The 25 aircraft form the final Tranche 3B of the planned aircraft order for which the Eurofighter partners have yet to sign.

La Russa also confirmed that instead of buying 10 FREMM frigates as planned, Italy will initially buy six and seek to export the others. Brazil is currently seen as a possible customer.

Italian chief of staff Gen. Vincenzo Camporini, who joined La Russa at the air show, said a more pressing problem for the Italian armed forces was ongoing cuts to maintenance and operations funding, which observers say have hurt training and readiness.

"This is the toughest problem I have and I intend to rationalize the system so that all the duplications are eliminated," Camporini said. "Each service is currently responsible for its own maintenance and I would like to have services which use the same helicopter, for instance, to combine efforts."

buglerbilly
22-07-10, 07:42 AM
Eurofighter: JSF Would Complement Typhoon

Posted by Bradley Peniston | July 21st, 2010

By PIERRE TRAN, FARNBOROUGH, UK – In a bid to stop fighter-seeking nations from thinking they can choose between the Typhoon and the Joint Strike Fighter, officials from Eurofighter are arguing that the JSF is not a fighter at all.


Japanese Air Self Defense Force Maj. Gen. Kosuke Yoshida talks with Di Matteo Antonio, an Italian Air Force pilot in a Eurofighter Typhoon at Farnborough on July 21. (Defense News photo by M. Scott Mahaskey)

In a briefing given at the Farnborough Air Show, the officials said Lockheed Martin’s JSF was a straightforward strike aircraft, albeit one which would complement the fighter capabilities of the Eurofighter.

In the briefing, entitled ‘What is a 5th Generation Fighter? Reality or just a commercial slogan?’ the officials drew up a definition of such a fighter. Their criteria included supercruising, sustained supersonic operations, extreme agility, high thrust-to-weight ratio, high-altitude operations and extensive missile loadout.

They said these are all capabilities that the Typhoon and the F-22 have, and the JSF lacks.

The officials argued that the JSF was an Attack Strike aircraft, heir to the A-10 instead of the F-16.

Moreover, while a fighter “actively looks for and engages the opponent’s fighter force, strike aircraft avoid engagements with other fighters,” a Eurofighter presentation said.

“The idea of firing and running away does not happen,” said former Eurofighter test pilot Craig Penrice.

“If people are going to put up hundreds of fighters against you, the JSF will not be sufficient,” said Laurie Hilditch, head of future requirements at Eurofighter.

As a strike aircraft, they said, the JSF was the perfect partner to the F-22 and the Eurofighter.

buglerbilly
24-07-10, 09:48 AM
FARN10: Eurofighter boasts Typhoon reign over F-35

By Stephen Trimble on July 22, 2010 11:08 AM



Eurofighter has launched a new campaign to assert the supremacy of the Typhoon against the Lockheed Martin F-35 in air-to-air combat, describing internal simulations giving the former an advantage over a numerically superior F-35 attack force.

The campaign is aimed at challenging Lockheed's claims that the F-35 enjoys a 6:1 exchange ratio over modern fighters.

Eurofighter also hopes to dispel creeping global acceptance of Lockeed's description of the F-35 as a fifth generation fighter that is implicitly superior to so-called fourth generation fighters, such as the Typhoon.

The challenge appears as several countries face decisions over buying both aircraft. On 20 July, Italy announced a decision to cancel a planned Tranche 3B contract for 25 Typhoons.

In Eurofighter's view, buying F-35s at the expense of fewer Typhoons reduces the air force's overall capability. Eurofighter respects the F-35 as a world-class fighter for the air-to-ground mission, but not as a fighter in the traditional role as an air-to-air machine, says Craig Penrice, a Typhoon pilot and marketing adviser.

Lockheed and programme officials have claimed that the days of traditional dogfighting are over. A promotional video released last year by F-35 supplier Northrop Grumman claims, for example, that "manoeuvrability is irrelevant" to a modern fighter. The video shows the F-35 can defeat opponents not with dogfighting skill, but by firing missiles agile enough to turn 180º.

Eurofighter, however, claims the F-35 lacks all-aspect, very low observable stealth, and is vulnerable to detection and defeat by non-stealthy opponents.

In an internal simulation series, Eurofighter found that four Typhoons supported by an airborne warning and control system (AWACS) defeated 85% of attacks by eight F-35s carrying an internal load of two joint direct attack munitions (JDAMs) and two air-to-air missiles, Penrice says.

According to Laurie Hilditch, Eurofighter's head of future requirements capture, the F-35's frontal-aspect stealth can be defeated by stationing interceptors and AWACS at a 25º to 30º angle to the F-35's most likely approach path to a target.

buglerbilly
24-07-10, 09:54 AM
My comment on the above............its BS time again, WHY they've wasted time and space coming up with these statements is beyond me. Anyone with a ha'porth of commonsense would know its largely RUBBISH!

Ferkin PR People should be taken out and shot! :razz

Unicorn
24-07-10, 11:08 AM
Not all of us... :(

Unicorn

buglerbilly
24-07-10, 12:49 PM
There are always exceptions.............:thumbsup