PDA

View Full Version : An Army of Pissheads



tiddles
15-02-10, 09:12 PM
Here is a story from todays Age, those with a bit of experience in the Army might like to comment.From personal experience I know it is not necessary to be in the Army to be [or have been] an enthusiastic drinker. I am waiting to see if there is a reaction from the Airforce & Navy Chiefs in the Newspapers.
Tiddles
Australian general blasts army of drunks DAN OAKES
February 16, 2010
THE second-in-command of Australia's armed forces has admitted that the army has an alcohol problem and demanded that officers tackle a culture of heavy drinking.

Lieutenant-General Ken Gillespie said in an email to commanders that he was tired of hearing about soldiers killing and injuring themselves and others through drunken behaviour, according to the army's internal newspaper.

''To be quite frank, I am sick of seeing the near-daily reports which tell me of officers and soldiers killed, injured or arrested for behaviour that could have been avoided,'' he wrote.

''I am saddened when I realise the impact these avoidable incidents have on the members, their families, their units and the army.

''I am tired of seeing the reputation of the army undermined by the irresponsible actions of some who cannot responsibly consume alcohol.''

The Soldiers Army newspaper said General Gillespie's anger was heightened when police dealt with 12 incidents involving drunk army personnel over one weekend - seven drink-driving offences and five drunk and disorderly cases.

He was apparently particularly disgusted by an incident in which an allegedly drunk soldier was carrying six friends in his car.

General Gillespie demanded that commanders crack down on alcohol abuse, saying that although he realised they could not control their troops at all times, it was their responsibility to tackle the drinking culture.

''While I am directing you to take specific action now, you should be quite clear in your minds that I expect all commanders to proactively, and if necessary punitively, apply measures to reduce the incidence of alcohol misuse,'' he said.

''I will take an interest in hearing what commanders have done during my visits in the future.''

In possibly the most notorious case of its kind, three SAS soldiers drowned, trapped in their car, in 2007 after drinking at a pub near Victoria's secret Swan Island base.

All three had blood alcohol levels higher than the legal driving limit, ranging from .08 to .22.

In an interview with The Age two years ago, General Gillespie said he was influenced as a young officer by a major who took a stand against alcohol abuse in the post-Vietnam War army. He said the major showed courage in standing up to alcohol abuse in the army, particularly in the upper ranks of the hierarchy.

''It's a 24/7 business and when the phone goes and it's people in the Middle East who need my help then I owe it to them to be fully alert,'' he said.

''I can't do that if I'm drunk. So do I like alcohol? Yes I do. How much do I have? I never have more alcohol than allows me to walk outside at a moment's notice and get into the car and drive to work.''

JimWH
15-02-10, 09:29 PM
Actually, not an awful article. It doesnt throw around blame, and it isn't proscriptive more than Lt Gen Gillespie's comment warrant. I particularly liked their final quote from him:


''It's a 24/7 business and when the phone goes and it's people in the Middle East who need my help then I owe it to them to be fully alert,'' he said.

''I can't do that if I'm drunk. So do I like alcohol? Yes I do. How much do I have? I never have more alcohol than allows me to walk outside at a moment's notice and get into the car and drive to work.''
I very much enjoy getting wrecked on the sauce, but if I'm on call this is exactly the standard I need to adhere to too.

McDethWivFries
16-02-10, 02:00 AM
Not in the Army, but use to fly and with a "no alcohol 24hrs before a flight" rule drilled into me from the get go, that pretty much follows what he said in the last para.

Doohan
16-02-10, 03:57 AM
How soon Gillespie forgets. When he was CO of 3 CER in the early 1990s his 2IC was a boarderline Alcoholic and when the issue was taken to Gillespie he did nothing "Punitive" about it. In fact he made all sorts of Excuses for his 2IC.

The guy himself was a nice bloke and needed help but Gillespie thought it eaiser to dust it under the carpet, rather than deal with it.

Wonder how he would react now to a CO who acts the same way

I know time have changed but still cant help thinking that we need to remember that to someextent Boys will be boys

Gubler, A.
16-02-10, 04:57 AM
The Army is also well below the national average for drink driving charges if he is upset about 141 charges per annum from ~25,000 people (564 per 100,000). The national average provided by the ABS is about 1,900 for both DUI and exceeding the legal blood alcohol limit (court adjudications 2006-07) averaged on a 90% male and 10% female for 20-24s. Dropping to about half that for 40-44s.

Chunder
16-02-10, 02:13 PM
We have very few problems with Army types at work. I can only recall one occasion which was out of control.

These days I get a lot more flexibility in how I can run Entry & Armed services get priority as both a courtesy, preventative measure & backup.

The Big problem used to be the buddy alliance system let loose in civilian atmosphere.

No doubt as to how the issue will be fixed. A call to the base with the CCTV footage.

But now, hopefully the way things run touch wood continue to be good.

Riđđu
16-02-10, 05:15 PM
It seems there are some government jobs worldwide where people with alcohol problem still find refuge. They call it work hard, party hard culture and it can work years just fine. Come to think of it many army blokes look years older because of heavy drinking.

But maybe my opinion is a bit biased after all those years in Lapland, ferries and Finnish army. :cool: These days I support zero tolerance in workplaces.